「欧冠足球投注」【键盘侠】锡安复赛后正负值极低|防守摸鱼的他依然没恢复健康?

The New Orleans Pelicans were -58 in 104 minutes with Zion Williamson on the floor in the bubble

复赛之后,锡安出场104分钟,正负值为-58.

-58 is not good. The Pelicans were not good when Zion Williamson played. He was -12 even in his 24 point, 10/12 FG performance against Sacramento (which the Pelicans lost)

-58确实不咋样。锡安上场时鹈鹕打得并不好。就连对阵国王(「欧冠足球投注」)那场,锡安12中10拿下24分,正负值也是-12.

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[–]Knicks iksnet 2257 指標 17小時前

Zion’s weight needs to go -58 this offseason

尼克斯球迷:锡安这个休赛期必须减重58磅。

[–][NYK] Frank Ntilikina aoifhasoifha 102 指標 14小時前*

Considering that the dude visibly gained weight since being weighed at 285, he could legit lose 58 pounds and still be a beast. There's a good chance he's around 300-320 (15 lbs doesn't look like much with his height and frame), and -58 would put him 240-250. That's still enough to bully most people in the post, and imagine how explosive he'd be if he wasn't carrying an extra fifty pounds.

I think the Charles Barkley comparisons are a bit off in a lot of ways, but not in terms of their frame and propensity to gain weight. If Zion learns from history and the greats, he'll drop 30-50 pounds.....and then he'll drop 10 more the way guys like Kobe and Lebron and Tim Duncan did over the course of their careers (guys who were always fit to start with), because basketball is goddamn hard on your knees.

尼克斯球迷:这哥们儿之前的注册体重是285磅,之后又肉眼可见地长肉了,所以他就算减掉58磅应该也是挺猛的。他现在很可能是300到320磅之间,减掉58那就是240到250.这个体重完全够他在内线欺负大多数人,况且要是他真的减掉了50磅,那爆发力不得更上一层楼啊。

我觉得拿他和巴克利作比较在很多方面是有点行不通的,不过他俩的体型和易胖的习性还是很像的。锡安好好学习下历史上那些顶级球星,就知道要减三五十磅了……接着又像科比、老詹和邓肯这些人一样,随着生涯的深入,再减个10磅,因为打篮球太特么伤膝盖了。

[–]Raptors Kizz3r 1019 指標 17小時前

That dude didnt record a steal or block in the bubble. He had no hustle and seemed checked out

猛龙球迷:这货复赛之后连一个抢断和盖帽都没捞到啊。一点都不拼,纯粹摸鱼。

[–]Grizzlies freakman013 95 指標 15小時前

Whether Zion was checked out or not didn't matter. He looked exhausted whenever he got more than 20 mins. Pelicans would be running the floor and Zion would be walking back every time. He was also like a turnstile on defense when he did finally get back.

I think this his poor defense (and plus minus) was more about his conditioning and physical state.

灰熊球迷:他摸不摸鱼都无所谓了。只要他出场时间超过20分钟就一副累瘫的样子。鹈鹕下快攻之后他每次都是慢悠悠走回来的,落位之后他在防守的时候就像个安检闸门……

我觉得他那拉胯的防守主要是身体状况和体能所致。

[–]Mavericks _tx 399 指標 17小時前*

He, like nearly all rookies, was never really known for his defense. The thing I found more surprising was how unexplosive he looked on the offensive end.

独行侠球迷:他基本和所有菜鸟一样,从来都不以防守著称。更让我惊讶的是,他复赛之后在进攻端的爆发力也不行了。

[–]TimelyJunket0 241 指標 17小時前

You should checkout his college stats, highlights or full games if you have time.

有时间的话你还是看看他大学的数据,不管是集锦还是录像都行。。

[–]Mavericks _tx 266 指標 17小時前

I watched a fair bit of him in college and he played solid defense. I just have very low expectations on the defensive end from a rookie in general in the NBA.

The offensive skill level is just so much higher.

独行侠球迷:我看过一点,他当时的防守还蛮稳。不过我一般对刚进NBA的菜鸟在防守上没抱多大指望,重点还是进攻水准。

[–]joeydee93 186 指標 17小時前

After watching him at Duke, I thought he would make positional and mental errors on defense, but I also assumed he would make a handful of wow athletic defense plays a game. Its the lack if WOW athletic plays that i thought was odd.

看了锡安在杜克的表现之后,我以为他来NBA之后防守端的错误会是源自失位和走神,可我同样期待着他一场比赛能展示几次让人惊呼的防守,然而并没有。

[–]Bucks Elbeninator 67 指標 16小時前

And honestly he made some of those defensive plays in the brief minutes we saw him play before the NBA shut down. But in the bubble it just seemed like he was still unhealthy from his injury and/or he was super out of game shape. I have hopes that he can turn around and be dominant next season, but he's going to have to put in work this offseason.

雄鹿球迷:有一说一,NBA停赛前他在短短的出场时间里在防守端还是有那种震撼操作的。可是复赛之后,就感觉他依然没恢复健康,游离在比赛之外。希望他下赛季能扭转颓势打出统治力吧,但是他休赛期真得好好加练了。

[–]Timely Junket0 27 指標 17小時前

Well yeah, offensively he is just a different breed. Closest comparison I thought was always Barkley, but now I'm thinking he has a little bit of Shaq in him too. The weird part is, he looked like a hardworker but he also following their footsteps of being out of shape. Hope he can bounce back from this horrible season. He has amazing two way potential.

那倒是,他的进攻的确是异于常人。以前我觉得最接近的比较模板是巴克利,现在倒认为他身上有点奥尼尔的影子。奇怪的是,他看着很努力,可他却像这俩前辈一样身形走样了。他攻防一体的潜力还是蛮大的,希望能早点从这个糟糕的赛季中反弹过来。

[–]Supersonics allmyaccsarebanned 24 指標 17小時前

What's his potential on D? Too small for 5 too slow for 4

超音速球迷:他的防守有个啥潜力?打5个子太小,打4又太慢

[–]Trail Blazers DonteJackson 49 指標 17小時前

If he sheds some weight he could probably play the 4 on D a lot better

开拓者球迷:要是肯减重的话,那打4也许就好多了

[–]Cavaliers SaxRohmer 7 指標 14小時前

Elite weakside defender. Dude is explosive but needs to work on his reads. He has good instincts and just needs more time in the scheme and on the floor. People forget that he also has a long wingspan which coupled with his athleticism certainly raises his ceiling as a defender.

骑士球迷:锡安能成长为顶级弱侧防守人。这货很有爆发力,可还得提高比赛阅读力。他的防守本能不错,就是得多打比赛啊。大家怕是都忘了,他臂展长,再配上运动能力,这绝对可以提升防守上限。

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[–]Nets Kwilly462 48 指標 17小時前

Didn't think Zion could ever be a defensive liability, but here we are

篮网球迷:之前真没觉得锡安的防守会是球队的负担,可现实如此

[–]fartsinthedark 120 指標 17小時前

Zion is just plainly not good on defense so far. I’m not even sure it’s an effort or conditioning thing; he just looks absolutely lost on that end of the floor.

But he is only like 12 years old, and obviously the athleticism is there, so we’ll see.

锡安目前为止的防守就是不行。我甚至都不确定这是态度问题还是体能问题,反正他防守时看着就是迷茫。

不过他就像个12岁的小孩儿,而且运动天赋摆在那儿,咱们还是再看吧。

[–][ATL] Trae Young JayNew2K 30 指標 17小時前

Its definitely effort and conditioning. Hard to be effective on offense and defense when your 6’6 300 pounds

老鹰球迷:既有态度问题也有体能问题。你6尺6却有300磅的体重,这咋同时保持高效的攻防呢

[–]Jazz SEJ46 2 指標 14小時前

Unless he had the ball he didn't try at all.

爵士球迷:只要他没拿球,就一点力不出。

[–]Raptors -Masai-Watcher- 7 指標 16小時前

His wingspan is also pretty small

猛龙球迷:并且他的臂展也蛮短的。

[–]fartsinthedark 12 指標 17小時前

He’s often out of position on defense though. I’ve seen him with a deer in headlights look a lot this season. NBA players are just so much quicker than college players at every position and offensive schemes are more complex that Zion still seems a step behind.

This isn’t meant to be a huge criticism of him though. He’s had to battle injuries and inconsistent playing time, and still hasn’t had an opportunity for a comfortable transition to the NBA. I think he’ll get much better. LeBron was also heavily criticized for defense when he came into the league.

他防守的时候经常失位。这赛季看过他好多次呆若木鸡的样子。NBA各个位置上的球员都比他大学时期快多了,而且进攻套路也复杂得多,锡安貌似现在都没完全理解。

不过这也不是批评他。毕竟他要和伤病作斗争,出场时间也不稳定,依然没有舒服地完成从大学到NBA的转换。何况詹姆斯刚进NBA的时候也曾因为防守而饱受批评。

[–]rNBA_Mods_Be_Better 5 指標 16小時前

He was so enthusiastic going into New Orleans. What happened? Is their culture really that poor?

锡安刚去鹈鹕的时候还是很有活力的。之后是发生了啥?难道鹈鹕的球队文化真那么不堪?

[–]Sikwitit3284 5 指標 14小時前

As a whole their team defense was some of the worst I've ever seen. Any pick/roll would get a team a good shot no matter who was on the court. That Jazz game should be shown of how to not play defense, it was either a lob, layup or open 3 for the last 5 minutes.

鹈鹕的整体防守是我见过最差的那一类。只要对方挡拆就能出机会。之前他们打爵士那场就展示了啥叫眼神防守,对手最后五分钟不是空接、上篮,就是空位三分。

[–]Hornets lolplatypi 13 指標 14小時前

Well considering he had a sudden family emergency and had to leave the bubble, then when he comes back he looks dejected, I can assume whatever happened when he left wasn't good.

黄蜂球迷:因为锡安前面因为家里急事离开过园区啊,回来之后就感觉提不起精神,我觉得肯定是家里发生了坏事儿。

[–]rNBA_Mods_Be_Better 2 指標 14小時前

He was so enthusiastic going into New Orleans.

(Not going into the bubble). He was so enthusiastic after getting drafted but now it sort of seems like basketball is a chore to him.

“锡安刚去鹈鹕的时候还是很有活力的。”

他被鹈鹕选中之后确实很有活力,可是现在貌似对他来说,篮球就是琐事。

[–]Hornets lolplatypi 10 指標 14小時前

I mean maybe. But he also seemed to have a lot of fun before the bubble. I'm sure he'll do better next year. If only because this sub is notoriously wrong about everything.

黄蜂球迷:也许吧,可他在复赛前好像很高兴啊。我相信他下赛季会表现更好的,仅仅是因为这个论坛经常被打脸。

[–]Rockets xfontaine 503 指標 18小時前

Their whole team was ass

火箭球迷:鹈鹕全队都很烂

[–][NOP] Anthony Davis BeastaBubbles 17 指標 16小時前

Yeah, attributing it to the guy with the least mpg in the starting lineup is foolish.

鹈鹕球迷:对啊,全都怪到一个首发阵容里出场时间最少的人头上,真的愚蠢。

[–]Pacers mizzourifan1 232 指標 17小時前

Lonzo did not make my takes on him look good... After such a hopeful season too.

步行者球迷:鲍尔真是辜负了我对他的期望……这赛季本来蛮有希望的。

[–]LiamNooson 14 指標 15小時前

I keep highlighting all of his other skills. Hoping his shot will come around. But if he can never put pressure on defenses with any sort of jumper or finishing at the rim, half court defense against his teams are always going to be that 5-10% easier and itll eventually add up to too much

我总是夸他其他各方面的能力,期盼着他的投篮能跟上来。但他要是不能用跳投和篮下终结给对手防线施压的话,那落入半场进攻的时候,对手的防守将会更加容易。

[–]Gran Destino ModernPoultry 45 指標 15小時前

I mean its tough to take many long term opinions from the bubble games. Players were off for 4 months and some might react differently to that and have a bad 8 game stretch.

In everyones defense, Lonzo and Zion duo was looking good and promising prior to the bubble

就复赛之后这几场比赛就下定论怕是不好吧,球员们4个月没打比赛了,有些人或许是没找到感觉呢。

毕竟在停赛之前,大家都觉得鲍尔和锡安的组合很有前途。

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[–]Grizzlies Nickcrizzle 154 指標 17小時前

I dont see how anyone can defend the condition that zion was in during the bubble. He even had access to train at the teams facilities when the rest of the league couldnt . He needed to lose weight coming from college, yet he has gotten even bigger in 1.5 years. Even if you take 5 months for the meniscus tear, that is still going backwards for a whole year

灰熊球迷:我就搞不明白了,怎么还有人为锡安在复赛中的表现洗地。之前停赛时联盟其他人都没机会接触球队训练设施,他却可以。他必须得减掉大学时的一些体重,可他这一年半甚至还更重了。哪怕你扣掉半月板撕裂的五个月恢复期,那也还是有一整年的时间啊。

[–]Lakers TMSXL 67 指標 16小時前

I don't think you can defend it 100% but it's still an awkward situation for him.... he misses the first 2 months or so of the season, plays in only 19 games, then gets shut down for 4 months due to covid...he's then is expected to be peak form? I think the expectations were a little wild

湖人球迷:我觉得他不是完全不粘锅,但他的处境还是挺尴尬的……缺席了赛季的头两个月,就打了19场比赛,然后因为新冠停赛4个月……然后就指望他立马打出巅峰状态?我觉得大家的期望有点疯狂了

[–]tidho 41 指標 14小時前

counter point: they did give him over $9.7M to meet those expectations.

鹈鹕为了那份期望确实是给了他970多万的年薪

[–][HOU] Ben McLemore Jahsay 48 指標 15小時前

Not peak form, but just not be a fat fucking 300 pounder. All he has to do is not eat like 7000 fucking calories a day.

火箭球迷:没人指望他进入巅峰状态,可你特么别胖到300多磅啊。他只要别每天狂吃7000卡就行了。

[–]Wake Nikis 21 指標 15小時前

He’s a professional athlete being paid millions of dollars.

All he needs to do is put the fork down.

他可是拿着几百万年薪的职业球员啊,他要做的仅仅是管住嘴。

[–]DrAmbulanceDriver 7 指標 15小時前

Somehow Nikola Jokić made it work.

约基奇就不存在这种烦恼。

[–][TOR] Pascal Siakam ___Rand___ 3 指標 15小時前

Dude doesn't have the maturity nor the DRIVE to be the best player he can be. Heck look at the other rooks, or other young players - did they get out of shape during the break? Let's see how he comes back from this short off-season. He's got 3 months to improve. If he comes into training camp out of shape like this, we can all lower our expectation for his 2nd season. And maybe beyond.

猛龙球迷:锡安还不够成熟,他也没有成为最佳球员的动力。看看其他菜鸟,或者是年轻球员——难道他们休赛期都身材走样了吗?咱们再看看锡安在这个短暂休赛期的状况。他有3个月的时间提升自我。如果他以这么一种体态进入下赛季训练营,那咱们都得降低对他下赛季的期望。

[–]Timberwolves the_devil_wears_jnco 86 指標 18小時前

he was such a terror defensively at duke and barely even moved his feet at all this season. i think its clear he wasnt healthy

森林狼球迷:他在杜克时期的防守相当恐怖的,结果这赛季压根就没怎么动。我觉得还是没恢复健康。

[–]Jazz Xsy 70 指標 16小時前

Or maybe college kids are just easier to defend for him.

爵士球迷:也许是大学的孩子更好防守些。

[–]Jazz Xsy 7 指標 15小時前

Yeah, I don't think he's a bust by any stretch of the imagination, but like, he wouldn't be the first person to not do as well defensively as he did in college.

爵士球迷:是啊,不管咋样,我都不认为他是个水货,然而呢,到了NBA之后没打出大学防守实力的球员,锡安肯定不是第一个。

[–][MIN] Corey Brewer rostron92 115 指標 17小時前

This guys honeymoon period went from 100 to zero in the span of a couple months. It seems we shit on young stars quicker and quicker these days.

森林狼球迷:这家伙在短短几个月内的大众好感值就从100降到了0.感觉咱们如今喷年轻球星的速度越来越快了。

[–]Raptors alpha_house 142 指標 17小時前

Or we/media over hype young players too quickly in the first place

猛龙球迷:也可以说是,我们和媒体一开始就对年轻球员吹得太快了些。

[–]Trail Blazers HooliganBeav 63 指標 16小時前

Exactly. We basically crowned this kid as the greatest ever based on half a college basketball season.

开拓者球迷:正是。咱们之前就看了锡安半个赛季的大学表现,就差不多把他捧成了史上最佳。

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[–]throwaway27yeu 169 指標 18小時前

This is what I’ve been saying. He’s not the star of the team yet. BI is

我一直都是这个观点。他还不是这支鹈鹕的球星,英格拉姆才是

[–]Heat EddieJones6 7 指標 15小時前

BI was -43 in the 6 games he played in. Not much better.

热火球迷:莺歌六场比赛正负值也就-43,没好多少

[–]Rockets vy2005 18 指標 14小時前

I mean, if your team loses games you’re almost certainly gonna have a bad plus minus

火箭球迷:如果你的球队总是输球,那你的正负值肯定好不到哪儿去。

[–]Pelicans offENTing 144 指標 15小時前

Why does everybody outside of the NO fanbase think that ? If anyone is the star, it is Jrue.

鹈鹕球迷:为啥除了鹈鹕球迷之外的人都觉得英格拉姆是球星?如果我们真有球星的话,那也是霍勒迪

[–]Heat EddieJones6 98 指標 15小時前

Jrue never gets respect. He's a stud

热火球迷:霍勒迪从未得到过尊重,他很猛的。

[–]Knicks buelo 18 指標 15小時前

fr, people be sleeping on Jrue as always. he's one of the best 2-way guards in the league that would be a great fit into any team.

尼克斯球迷:确实,大家总是小看霍勒迪。他是联盟攻防一体最强的后卫之一,放到任何球队都能即插即用。

[–]throwaway27yeu 35 指標 15小時前

Wrong. Jrue is definitely the leader but not the star.

错。霍勒迪肯定是领袖,但不是球星。

[–]Pelicans offENTing 14 指標 15小時前

I don't know. He doesn't really want to be a star, but I'd say the NO fanbase does see him as the star of the team. I mean we could argue about the definition of star, but I feel like people don't appreciate the love Jrue gets from NO.

There will always be the loud people shouting for him to be traded, but that is always the case, regardless of the player.

鹈鹕球迷:那我就不知道了。他还真没怎么想过当球星,但我们鹈鹕球迷就是这么认为的。也许咱们可以争论球星的定义,但是貌似很多人都不能理解新奥尔良对霍勒迪的爱。

总有人大声嚷嚷着要送走他,可要是换成其他人,也是一样。

[–]Huskies coolassninjas 12 指標 14小時前

I think it's the Demar/Lowry situation. Derozan was the "star" of our team for the longest time but Lowry was our best player. I consider Jrue the best player on that team over Ingram.

我觉得这和当初德罗赞、洛瑞的状况一样。德罗赞在猛龙队内做“球星”的时间是最长的,但洛瑞才是最好的。比起英格拉姆,我觉得霍勒迪才是鹈鹕的最佳。

[–]bobbyhottamale 7 指標 14小時前

It’s unacceptable to have 4 months off to train and condition and show up to the bubble overweight. I blame Zion, but I blame Alvin Gentry even more. As the coach, your superstar rookies weight and conditioning is your responsibility.

连了四个月,复赛还是超重,这是不可接受的。我怪锡安,但是更怪金特里。他才是主教练,你超巨菜鸟的体重和体能就是你教练要操心的。

[–]Raptors FlacidTeeth 6 指標 16小時前

The dudes who gave this post an award, do you guys really want to see a kid fail this badly? Jesus.

猛龙球迷:给你们颁个奖得了,难道你们真就这么想看到这小孩儿失败?天呐

[–][DET] Grant Hill aaden08 6 指標 15小時前

People like to hate

活塞球迷:大家就是喜欢喷。

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